Saturday, December 15, 2007

Not knowing what one is talking about

The interminable moron I've been arguing with at this post is simply mind-numbing.

"Expected value" isn't a term that exists beyond the minds of these people, and they just don't understand that. It's merely a way for them to ignore the argument and state that, "we just won't know what's happening, and since we don't know, we need to do it my way, since it looks like my way is better."

That sounds fine, until you grind that crap through the scientific method, just ONCE. Nothing can be proven about what they are claiming, over on that side of things, and they just don't understand that part. See, they are convinced that they're all correct on the matter, without ever knowing what it is that they're talking about.

Yes, yes, reducing emissions might be a good idea, and that part of it can be proven, that, for instance, a certain vehicle has fewer grams of CO2 produced per mile of travel than another, but that part of it isn't what the crux of the argument is about. The environment hasn't been proven, in any way, to be harmed by increasing CO2 levels, or that human action has had any real impact on those CO2 levels, even if we are contributing a certain portion to the atmosphere. There are too many variables in the equations to account for, and they WILL NOT admit it.

Your "Expected value" may not be anything of the sort, and in the mean time, more control is handed over to the likes of governmental bureaucrats, who are shouted at by the unwashed, to, "do something." And they'll do it, bygawd, since that transfers into votes the next election cycle. Oh, and this subject we're on has nothing to do with probability theory.

Fucking shit makes me want to puke.

Go ahead. Keep pushing on this and see where it goes. I already know, and you morons are not going to like the outcome.

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Blogger NotClauswitz said...

B, It's a notorious Troll and obfuscater with whom arguing anything is a pointless endevor of shifting-sands and logical displacement.
Anyhow "Climatologist" maybe aren't he actual ones who know what's going on: Climate scientists are notoriously touchy about non-climate folks "meddling" in their profession, but they have no such qualms when they venture off into statistics or geology or even astrophysics without much knowledge of what they are doing. This story is telling, as told by Dr. Mörner the head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University in Sweden. He is past president (1999-2003) of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution, and leader of the Maldives Sea Level Project. Dr. Mörner has been studying the sea level and its effects on coastal areas for some 35 years. He was interviewed by Gregory Murphy on June 6 for EIR:Another way of looking at what is going on is the tide gauge. Tide gauging is very complicated, because it gives different answers for wherever you are in the world. But we have to rely on geology when we interpret it. So, for example, those people in the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change], choose Hong Kong, which has six tide gauges, and they choose the record of one, which gives 2.3 mm per year rise of sea level. Every geologist knows that that is a subsiding area. It's the compaction of sediment; it is the only record which you shouldn't use. And if that figure is correct, then Holland would not be subsiding, it would be uplifting.

And that is just ridiculous. Not even ignorance could be responsible for a thing like that. So tide gauges, you have to treat very, very carefully. Now, back to satellite altimetry, which shows the water, not just the coasts, but in the whole of the ocean. And you measure it by satellite. From 1992 to 2002, [the graph of the sea level] was a straight line, variability along a straight line, but absolutely no trend whatsoever. We could see those spikes: a very rapid rise, but then in half a year, they fall back again. But absolutely no trend, and to have a sea-level rise, you need a trend.

5:37 PM  
Blogger theirritablearchitect said...

Yeah, I'm taking a new policy.

From now on, I'm deleting that fucker's comment, regardless of amusement, or if it pisses me off.

I've really had it with that dolt's "facts". He wouldn't know what one of those was if you smacked him on the head with the answer to two plus two. He'd probably give you the Clintonian "fuzzy math" answer and swear on oath that he was right and could "prove" it.

Well, with the dumbasses promising to talk more about this dipshit "climate issue" today in Bali, I'm sure we'll be seeing a whole new level of totalitarianism rise in this world, and the death toll will go straight through the roof. All of which will be blamed on guns, I'm sure, from the usual suspect, among others.

It hardly matters. The next great purge is swelling right now, and soon, I fear, chaos will take control. We're at a tipping point and I'm not sure most realize that. Letting the governmental thugs run the show is bad news, much worse than anything the corporations could ever produce (You know, the big scary Wal-Mart types that keep oppressing the poor type-BS).

When the shit hits the fan, I'm hoping to be here and not in Krauterland, for obvious reasons.

8:43 PM  
Blogger NotClauswitz said...

The retard's psychotic ability to see through walls and around corners always amazed me, but his/her constant and tendentious failure to get even the most simple 1+1= right is merely tedious...
Spending time overseas should be enjoyable AND profitable! :-)

3:10 PM  

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