Monday, June 04, 2007

Still can't get it right

Noted gunblog commentor and troll, Jadegold, has put up his/her/its own blog it seems, and just can't resist the temptation to spout even more of the same tripe that is repeatedly put forth as absolute truth from the usual suspects. To wit, quoting some other moron:

"An illegal gun in the United States, unlike an illegal drug, is not one smuggled into the country or made in a basement laboratory; it is always a gun that began its odyssey with a legal sale by a gunshop to somebody, somewhere"


Are you sure about that? Alsolutely? All of the time? Always?

While I know that there are a good many guns that can and do fit this scenario, I have a hard time believing that the situation is exactly as this dolt describes, in each and every instance. Sure, some guns are straw purchases. On the surface, they're legit sales, but then end up with an unintended owner. That is a shame, but a fact of life. It's also already an illegal activity. What can be done about it? The answer is nothing, really. I'm not entirely sure of the federal sentence for someone who's been convicted of a straw purchase, but I'm thinking it's rather steep. Ten years or more. Should we put them away for longer sentences? Will that stop straw purchases? I'm fairly certain that the former will have little effect on the latter.

A second possibility is, of course, that a gun can be stollen from its rightful owner. This doesn't seem to deter the moonbats in the slightest from demanding more "gun control". To them, it's the fault of the owner, each and every instance, and the owner should be punished, as much or more, than the perp, if said gun is used to, say, hold up a liquor store. Makes no sense to me, as the perp has, in this hypothetical instance anyway, commited two crimes, and the intent was there to do so before committing them. This bit has some legal issues that need to be addressed, but I am not a lawyer, and will have to defer those questions for now. I'm uncertain of the answer to this question, in any kind of concrete terms, but clearly, it isn't to place the onus of the situation on the gun owner. That is just an infantile reaction, an eruption of anger at the situation, and a poor excuse to place blame on some person, not the correct person(s).

And this bit about illegal drugs. Come now, does anyone believe that all of the drugs that are deemed illegal in this country are all smuggled in, obviously from foreign countries?

Furthermore, the comparison here is not about the "apples and oranges", it's about how the comparison is executed in the first place. The logic just isn't there, and therefore, the comparison isn't valid.

This kind of intellectual sophism is exactly why I will resist the entire premise of gun control until the moment I die.

Let's just hope we can keep the likes of Hillary or Obama out of the White House come 11/08, or it will all be moot.

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8 Comments:

Blogger BobG said...

Remember that your working with Jadegold here; I have seen quite a few of that idiot's trolling, and the only thing that impresses me about him is the lengths he to which he will go when lying or bending the truth. I won't even get into his lack of information or reasoning abilities. I've always tried to ignore him, sort of like a little barking dog hiding behind his owner's fence while roaring such as it is) at people walking by.

6:49 PM  
Blogger DirtCrashr said...

Trying to apply logic to the insane is a wasted effort, one which we can appreciate but they cannot. Reminds me of my mildly deranged sister, the tortured paths of cognition that flow forth.

11:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go to a gunshow sometime. There are plenty of FFL dealers who will refer you to someone should your paperwork not be up to snuff. In fact, NRA member, Tim McVeigh made a living, in his pre-Oklahoma City days, travelling with gun shows and purchasing weapons for those with blemishes on their records.

And a straw purchase isn't even necessary. At gun shows--or your local PennySaver--you will find people willing to sell you whatever you want with no questions asked. Cash and carry.

It's all about the Benjamins.
--Jadegold

2:36 PM  
Blogger B&N said...

Jade,

First, FUCK OFF AND DIE!

Second, I give a fuck about your spouting of the subject matter, because that is all it is. It doesn't even qualify as an opinion it's so ill informed.

Third, I'm going to a gunshow, today as a matter of fact, and I'll be there for ammo and accessories, though I've made purchases of firearms in years passed.

Lastly, the scenario you are describing (that being the straw purchase,) is already illegal and is subject to criminal prosecution on the federal level, an automatic felony by the purchaser and an investigation into the FFL holder by the BATFE. Guess what? Despite all of this, there are those who, as you are suggesting, still break the rules. Shocking, but only to YOU, because you are a DOLT of the first order, you ASSHAT!

And your last bit, well, guess what, you dumb motherfucker, private sales have not been restricted at all by the Feds, but it is an issue that has been addressed by several individual states. So, by definition, your point is moot, since nothing illegal is being done, if the transaction is being carried out in a state the doesn't forbid such sales.

Yes, it is all about the Benjamins. Do you know why, you imbecile?

Try reading something about elementary economics, dipshit, and you will realize that guns are a commodity, and will always have a demand for them, by a great variety of people.

Since it is your avowed position to make the possession of such things Malum Prohibitum, I can see that you are of the "opinion" that even righteous people shouldn't have them, since, (I'm assuming) your thought is that only bad things can result from civilian gun ownership. So your solution is simply ban them entirely. The result here is that those without the means to protect themselves will be denied their lives, and history (fuck, just look at the current news, dimwit, it's happening right now) have my back on this bit.

So, in conclusion, again, FUCK OFF AND DIE!, and don't ever leave another comment here. Got it?

10:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, while you're at the gun show--why not pick up some Nazi memorabilia? Or white supremacist materials?

For some reason, those are also big sellers at gun shows.

Your friend, Jadegold

12:14 PM  
Blogger B&N said...

Notice the overt association with gun owners/shows with Nazism with the troll. How sad.

You've been told.

Go away and stay away.

BTW, Jade, I wouldn't be picking up any of that crap, ya wanna know why Jade?

The wouldn't have me in any of it.

I'm a minority, you feckless piece of shit!

I'm not white.

12:36 PM  
Blogger DirtCrashr said...

Got to a Hippie party or Rally and pick up Stalinist memorabilia, Mao the Murderer buttons, and Che the Cowardly Assassin t-shirts (he only shoots 'em in the head once they're tied up and kneeling) - those are all big-sellers with the Liberal Student crowd. Anecdotal evidence isn't, and McVeigh couldn't do any of those things in CA either.

7:18 PM  
Blogger B&N said...

Dirt,

Yeah, it's really amazing how all of the supposed "tolerance" by the leftists is really just a front for acquiring power so they can just boss the rest of us around.

I'm thinking that I'll be buying some of those T-shirts that mock the Commie demogogues and proudly wear them around over in Lawrence, since A) It's a really close enclave of Liberal Nutjobs, and B) It will be that much sweeter when I perform the smackdown, all the while them knowing that they can't use the "it's all Whitey's fault," mantra for their defense.

I sometimes wear my NRA gear when we go to the farmer's market on Saturday mornings. It really gets people's goat when I come up to their booth and buy stuff, when they can see from a mile away what I'm wearing. Truly satisfying for them to have to bite their own tongue when I come up to them, money in hand, in exchange for goods. The mighty dollar wins, again, and the nice part of the whole transaction is knowing that they know that as well.

I get lots of looks doing this schtick, and it has led to a few people who actually know me to comment that they feel, and I'm quoting someone here, "an enigma."(Shrug)

I laugh inside.

10:58 AM  

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